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Can individual rights endanger public health?
Thanks to social media, I’m running into people I haven’t seen or thought about in decades. A couple weeks ago, a former Bain colleague, who also happens to be a medical doctor, stumbled on my Facebook post about the “Jail ’em!” USA Today opinion piece and wrote:
The issue is finding a balance between protecting individual rights and ensuring public health. It’s a difficult balance for sure. If public health resources are used to provide vaccination at minimal to no cost, do the unvaccinated demand resources to treat the preventable diseases they contract. In general as a nation we have stood for the preservation of individual rights unless the pursuit of those rights endangers someone else. Is this not a similar situation?
Well, he asked! Here’s how I responded (with some links and edits added for clarity).
Hi, Jim. What you wrote sounds reasonable…
BUT.
There are a number of assumptions embedded in your statement, including:
- Vaccines are effective
- Vaccines are safe
- The unvaccinated contract disease because they are unvaccinated
- The unvaccinated endanger others
This isn’t the right forum for a conversation but here are some thoughts and as I offer at the end of my comments, I’d be really happy to discuss further:
#1: VACCINES ARE EFFECTIVE
The case for vaccination is predicated on a non-event. No matter what representations are made and attributed to vaccines, there is absolutely zero proof in the form of true evidence-based medicine — we’re talking about the very clear ways that we make scientific claims — that they have saved any lives let alone the millions claimed.
People have the right to vaccinate themselves and their children. If you believe that vaccines work and you are comfortable with the risk/benefit tradeoff, then it is your prerogative to get them.
It is very clear, however, that vaccine failure happens more often than we care to admit. I can share dozens of examples. Here’s one from the American Journal of Public Health:
Why do children get five doses of pertussis vaccine by age 6 plus a sixth dose in 6th grade, and there are still outbreaks in fully vaccinated communities? (This is dismayingly common.)
It is accepted that vaccine-induced “immunity” as defined by antibody response wanes over time. If vaccine-induced herd immunity is valid, then why aren’t adults mandated to receive the same vaccines as children? Isn’t this an illogical form of discrimination?
#2: VACCINES ARE SAFE
The feds compensate for vaccine injury and death
Vaccines are not safe. They cannot be “greened.” The federal government compensates families for catastrophic injury and death caused by vaccines via the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program because it acknowledges vaccine injury is very real.
Look up any vaccine and see just a fraction of injuries and deaths associated with vaccination. These are reported through the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, which the public can access through Medalerts.org. Most doctors do not know what vaccine injury looks like. They also do not know that they are required report to VAERS because penalties are not enforced.
Vaccine makers have near blanket liability protection
Vaccines are so dangerous that manufacturers sought and received near blanket liability protection via the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine injury Act, thereby eliminating the only real consumer protection in place that motivated industry to make safer products.
Vaccines are legally classified as unavoidably unsafe. How many people is it ok to sacrifice to something that can’t be proven? Is it ok for healthy children to die or be injured in service of a theoretical idea that they must protect the weak and immunocompromised?
Maybe kids are supposed to get childhood diseases
What are the ramifications of preventing children from contracting and resolving infectious disease when it’s most benign?
Remember when kids used to get chickenpox? I had chickenpox Everyone born before 1958 is assumed to be immune to measles because they, in all likelihood, had the disease as children. Measles is deadly, you say? We are the victims of historical revisionism. These and others were benign diseases for the vast majority, a childhood rite of passage. We know they offer protective effects that last through adulthood. There is a deep intelligence in the varied ways we interact with our environment.
Why do adults refuse vaccination?
Most adults refuse most vaccines. Men don’t even like going to the doctor. Over half of healthcare workers decline the flu shot.
How many shots have you gotten? How many recently? All of them?
I’d like you to consider getting the entire childhood schedule given to babies by age 2… of the 70 doses of 16 vaccines given to children to age 18, half of the doses are given by 15 months of age. Will you do that? I’ve never met anyone who would. Why do you think that is?
Parents want more science
Vaccine safety tops the list of health priorities for parents. Vaccines have never been studied as they are given, simultaneously and cumulatively, starting on the day of birth, over time, compared to an unvaccinated control group. Never.
Take a look at page 9 of Merck’s M-M-R II package insert:
Routine administration of DTP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis) and/or OPV (oral poliovirus vaccine) concurrently with measles, mumps and rubella vaccines is not recommended because there are limited data relating to the simultaneous administration of these antigens.
How about just one shot? Find me the studies that justify our government’s policy of neonatal Hep B vaccination on day 1 of birth. My colleague, market analyst and author of the Belkin Report, Michael Belkin, has been trying to get this data, via FOIAs, for over 10 years. His first baby died at 5 weeks of age following her 2nd Hep B shot.
There’s a lot more
Here’s a recent Fearless Parent Radio podcast on adventitious agents and chronic illness to keep you up at night — with host Sayer Ji and author Judy Mikovits, PhD.
For more, Google the keyword vaccine with any of the following: contamination, human fetal DNA fragments, serotype replacement, antigenic competition, glyphosate and aluminum, tumorigenicity and neoplastic cells as vaccine substrates.
#3: PEOPLE CONTRACT DISEASE BECAUSE THEY ARE UNVACCINATED
We love to scapegoat the unvaccinated. But the idea that only the unvaccinated harbor specially virulent germs that infect others is absurd, unscientific, and unsubstantiated. We are not alive because of vaccination. We have more germs on us and in us than cells in our bodies by a factor of at least 10x. We come from bacterial soup and we’re only just beginning to mine the intelligence of the human microbiome and our various microbiota… let alone understand the role of retroviruses in the human genome.
Man’s hubris, that we can target a few strains via injection of a cocktail of animal and human biologics and effect a kind of immunological free lunch with manageable downside risk, fabricate an epidemiological tall tale that vaccines create the same kind of herd immunity that we see in the natural contraction and resolution of disease, remove the right to sue product manufacturers, allow drug companies to conduct their own shockingly inadequate safety and efficacy trials, and then start vaccinating babies starting on the day of birth with ever increasing numbers of shots (three-fold since you and I were kids) and mandating them as a condition of day care and school admission is frankly beyond outrageous.
That’s not any kind of evidence-based medicine.
#4: THE UNVACCINATED ENDANGER OTHERS
The idea that the only plausible reason that people contract infectious disease is because someone didn’t get vaccinated is convenient, yes, but it’s also facile, flawed, and dangerous.
- Vaccines wear off. Millions of adults do not get vaccinated.
- Vaccine failure is very real.
- We administer live virus vaccines to millions of children every year. We know that transmission via close personal contact through viral shedding occurs.
Why does anyone get sick? Why do some people get sick and others don’t?
It’s about the host not the germ.
Maybe the question we should be asking is…
Can public health endanger individuals?
We know that vaccination can cause harm and death to some who receive them. We just don’t know in advance who is susceptible. Is it acceptable for our government to mandate vaccination with full knowledge that it means a death sentence for some people?
No.
Every life matters — the child with cancer who cannot be vaccinated… the thousands of people who die following vaccination… the baby who will never reach his full, God-given potential because of vaccine injury. This is why people must have choice for themselves and parents must have choice for their children.
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Your statement about the unvaccinated demanding resources to be treated really surprises me, Jim, particularly because you’re an MD. Do you believe that the only people deserving of treatment are ones who embrace a top-down, one size fits all, standard of care treatment as defined by… bureaucrats? Do you believe that obese people are not entitled to receive care for the preventable diseases they develop? How about lazy people?
My best friend from high school is a pediatrician. I work closely with many medical doctors. I know that you spent less than 1 day in medical school studying vaccines. I know that most education about vaccines today comes from drug companies.
If you really care about this topic and you want to dig in, I’d love to engage with you, share information, introduce you to some of my colleagues. But if you want to repeat pat, unexamined propaganda statements from industry, organized medicine, government, or media then my Facebook page probably isn’t the place for you to hang. I hope you choose the former.
Louise Kuo Habakus is the bestselling author of Vaccine Epidemic and founding director of two non-profits: Center for Personal Rights and Health Freedom Action.. She is the founding director of Fearless Parent™, lead host and producer of Fearless Parent Radio, and mom of two. Louise was a Bain consultant and a C-level executive in the financial services industry. Louise holds two degrees from Stanford University.
Layman’s question here. How would you actually go about determining whether a vaccine saved anyone? It seems to me it’s a case by case thing. Like would you take an individual, vaccinate them against a certain illness, monitor them through their lives. If they didn’t contract the illness for which they were vaccinated how would you know it was the vaccine that saved them and not a bunch of other individual factors eg overall health, hygiene, diet, exercise, genetics etc? And how would you even determine whether that individual ever came in contact with the virus? Just saying a certain vaccine saved a whole bunch of people seems like such a crude untenable generalization
The layman is a smart man.
Efficacy of vaccination is predicated on the occurrence of a non-event. How do you prove that? If you didn’t get sick, was it because of the vaccine? What if you weren’t vaccinated?Who gets the credit then?
What’s even more mind boggling is that we have more viruses and bacteria in us and on us than we have cells in our bodies, by a factor of 10 or more. We are comprised more of viruses than of cells that make up our organs, flesh, hair… that define who we are.
So… who’s to say that coming into contact with a virus is what determines whether we get sick? Maybe the virus is in us all along and there are other factors that determine expression of the so-called disease.
We don’t know what we don’t know. Sometimes, what we know is wrong.
Thanks, Jeff.
Just a couple questions. I am currently torn as to vaccinate or not vaccinate my 11 month old son. My daughter is 2 and has received all of her vaccines to date. Why do you think some children get side effects or die from vaccines and others don’t have any problems? I am a pediatric nurse and have seen several patients with adverse vaccine reactions (as stated by the patent). I’m just so torn because I believe in vaccines but don’t want my son to suffer any adverse reactions.
As stated in the article, why some children have reactions and some don’t? It has to do with the individual immune system. Just because a child has received all their vaccines and they appear to be fine it has been shown that vaccine damage can take years to manifest. Take cancer. SV-40, a containment that the CDC denies had contaminated the Polio vaccines has shown up in tumors removed from patients 30 or more years after they have been vaccinated. None of the vaccines have been tested for carcinogens even though there is human DNA in them from WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts. There is also recombinant human albumin, fetal bovine serum, chick embryo cell culture and this is just in the MMR. This doesn’t include the growing medium.
What the CDC & FDA is not reporting to the public is pharmaceutical companies have been given the green light to grow vaccines on tumor cells. They probably have been doing it for years quietly but now have the paperwork to support them. Here is a link to the transcript and a few revealing quotes:
At a meeting of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in September 2012
The vaccines may cause tumors in recipients:
“We have really identified three major factors that could potentially convey risk from tumor derived cells. And these include the cells themselves … and if they were tumor-derived cells then maybe they themselves could form tumors in a vaccine recipient.” (Dr. K)
A fact: tumor cell lines can cause tumors:
“What I think is qualitatively different about the tumor cell lines is the fact that they can cause tumors.” (Dr.L)
Tumors may occur decades after vaccinations:
“But certainly, if you are going to address this question about tumor risk of vaccines made in tumor cell lines, it’s going to have to be a decade’s question.” (Dr.C)
FDA is there to help vaccine manufacturers:
“… but we are here to consider the issues that we would like to advise the agency to consider in helping the company continue the manufacturing process, what should they be concerned about, what should they be watching for.” (Dr. D, leader of the meeting)
Plan to hide information and omit it from package inserts:
“The minute you describe something in the package insert in terms of potential clinical safety concerns, I think that really precludes using these cell substrates.” (Dr. G)
“When it gets right down to what’s in the vial and what the patient is going to ask me about, whether it’s safe, I’m not going to say, well, you know, HeLa cells kill nude mice.” (Dr. C)
Vaccines Will be Made from Human Cancer Tumors: http://vactruth (dot) com/2014/11/30/vaccines-made-from-cancer-tumors/
Transcript: https://www.scribd (dot) com/doc/246682536/FDA-Meeting-Human-Tumors-for-Vaccine-Manufacture
What it boils down to, considering there is no science that confirms that vaccine are safe or effective, how much of a risk is it to your children not to be vaccinated? There have been 9 deaths from measles since 2000 and there is no study to confirm that the vaccine had anything to do with it. However there have been 108 deaths from the MMR in the last 10 years. This goes way beyond Autism. 1 child in 6 in the US is chronically ill and this can traced back to the increase in vaccines:
CONCLUSIONS: Developmental disabilities are common and were reported in ∼1 in 6 children in the United States in 2006–2008. The number of children with select developmental disabilities (autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and other developmental delays) has increased, requiring more health and education services. Additional study of the influence of risk-factor shifts, changes in acceptance, and benefits of early services is needed.
http://pediatrics.aappublications (dot) org/content/127/6/1034.abstract
Take your son to a trusted Pediatric Chiropractor to be assessed for any upper cervical structural trauma that may have occurred from the birth process. Far more common than you’d think. The Central Nervous System controls all function, including the ability to adapt, and the control of the immune system. If there are any structural issues with the spine which encases and protects the cord and nerve roots…you can have issues. Even without this interference, vaccines can still cause harm to a certain %. They don’t test to see who’s susceptible, so it’s a game of Russian Roulette. Also, if you’re willing to do the research, read this: https://vaccineissues.wordpress.com
Splendid article. Well done!
I am an RN. How would a baby/child/teen present in an ER/Dr. office with a vaccine reaction. What would the red flags be? I absolutely know they are being missed.
Hi, Cinthia. Please take a look at NVIC’s “If you vaccinate, ask 8.” Here’s what they say about Recognizing Vaccine Reaction Symptoms:
If you or your child experiences any of the symptoms listed below in the hours, days or weeks following vaccination, it should be reported to VAERS. Some vaccine reaction symptoms include:
Pronounced swelling, redness, heat or hardness at the site of the injection;
Body rash or hives;
Shock/collapse;
High pitched screaming or persistent crying for hours;
Extreme sleepiness or long periods of unresponsiveness;
Twitching or jerking of the body, arm, leg or head;
Crossing of eyes;
Weakness or paralysis of any part of the body;
Loss of ability to roll over, sit up or stand up;
Loss of eye contact or awareness or social withdrawal;
Head banging or onset of repetitive movements (flapping, rubbing, rocking, spinning);
High fever (over 103 F)
Vision or hearing loss;
Restlessness, hyperactivity or inability to concentrate;
Sleep disturbances that change wake/sleep pattern;
Joint pain or muscle weakness;
Disabling fatigue;
Loss of memory;
Onset of chronic ear or respiratory infections;
Violent or persistent diarrhea or chronic constipation;
Breathing problems (asthma);
Excessive bleeding (thrombocytopenia) or anemia.
There are other symptoms, which may indicate that you or your child has suffered a vaccine reaction. Not all symptoms that occur following vaccination are caused by the vaccine(s) recently received, but it cannot be automatically concluded that symptoms which do occur are NOT related to the vaccine. Therefore, it is important for your doctor to write down all serious health problems that occur after vaccination in the permanent medical record and to report ALL serious symptoms or dramatic change in physical, mental or emotional behavior that does occur following vaccination to VAERS. It is also important that re-vaccination does not continue until it has been determined that the serious health problem which developed after vaccination was not causally related to the vaccination(s). Continued vaccination in the presence of serious health deterioration could lead to vaccine injury or death.
It’s easy to be against vaccines when we life in a world that we don’t see the actual suffering and deaths from these illnesses. We live in a bubble compared to the rest of the world. We take vaccines so for granted in the United States; women in the developing world know the power of [vaccines]. They will walk 10 kilometers in the heat with their child and line up to get a vaccine because they have seen death.” The numbers of children claiming to have a serious issue with vaccines are far, far less than the death and long term damage caused by the disease is we did not vaccinate children.
http://naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/this-is-what-measles-actually-looks-like/
http://billmoyers.com/2015/02/12/jonas-salk-vaccines/
Lori, I’m pretty sure you’re a troll. Only a troll would compare the developed world to a third world country. You point to your own answers and can’t even realize it. Your parent walking 10km is probably not very educated and living in dirt poor conditions, malnutrition and unsanitary. Give them their clean water and food, sewer systems.. and watch them thrive. Your 20$ wasted on a vaccine would have fed that whole family for a week.
Actually, there have been studies showing that giving vaccines in 3rd world countries has no significant effect on the population’s life length, quality of life, or how often they get sick. They’ve actually shown that members of the population that DO receive vaccinations are more likely to die from a more fatal strain of whatever disease they were trying to prevent.
I agree with you
Well reasoned. Thank you so much for a clear understandable read. Love the reference to Individual Rights.
Incredibly well-presented. I’ve read a TON on this subject and this ranks up there on the list of succinct and comprehensive rebuttals to the mainstream lunacy we are daily exposed to via the media and uninformed friends/family. Thank you.
did jim respond?
Nope. Radio silence.